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Logan Sekulow and Will Haynes break down a New Jersey glitch leading to thousands of non-citizens being registered to vote.


Logan Sekulow: Welcome to Sekulow. Will Haines is joining me in the studio. Later on in the show, we're going to have Rick Grenell join us as well. Phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. I want to hear from you. As far as we know, phone lines are open and working well, so you can give me a call right now. We talk a lot about election integrity here, and you may get a little mixed up on what's going on. There are moments, though, where even if things happen on accident, they are uncovered. Sometimes they are uncovered by the thousands. We have learned now that thousands of non-US citizens were registered to vote in New Jersey due to what they're saying is a software error. From the Governor, they're saying more than 6,000 non-citizens were accidentally added to the New Jersey voter rolls due to a software error. They said fewer than 400 of them did cast ballots, which I guess is a good thing. But we also have 400 people going in and casting a ballot. This is a wild thing that's happening, but I was at the DMV just last week. It is part of the casual conversation you have there. Are you an organ donor? Are you a voter registration? So I could see even in the questionnaire portion where you could have some of them slip through as you're working on it. I also saw some non-citizens getting their driver's license, and I saw the process they went through. This was here in Tennessee, and it was very similar, but it was, "You don't have a Social Security number, here's what we need you to provide," those kinds of things. So you do know that when they are doing these things, the first questions a lot of the time the DMV is asking have to do with whether you are a United States citizen. So it's not like it's that easy to just check a box, but what we're seeing is what they're calling just a software glitch that added thousands of people to the voter rolls.
Will Haines: Here's the problem. We know that the Department of Homeland Security earlier this month said that New Jersey had more than 35,000 non-citizens on its voting rolls. The only reason we're hearing about this story is because the Department of Homeland Security was making this accusation earlier this month. They're trying to downplay this story in New Jersey, saying it's not that big of a deal, it was just a glitch. It always seems that it's those on the left in blue states that have these glitches that affect the very topics and things that conservatives are concerned about. Here's what they claim happened. This is a part of the Motor Voter registration, which is from 1993. There was a federal law, the National Registration Act of 1993, commonly referred to as the Motor Voter law, where they gave guidance to the states of how to make it easier for people to register to vote. In New Jersey, as in most places, you are checking a box that says citizen or non-citizen. They are now saying that 6,600 people that checked the appropriate box were added. They're not saying the people did anything wrong here. These 6,600 got added to the rolls because of a software glitch that they've fixed now. Even with that, those people that may not have even known that they were registered to vote, 400 of them went on to vote. It always seems that they're able to say the Department of Homeland Security wasn't really right because it wasn't as many. I have a feeling this is the tip of the iceberg in New Jersey. I feel like we're going to get more, and we've got a lot more to break down about this when we get back on the other side of this break. Stick around, you're not going to want to miss it because this ties directly into a lawsuit that the ACLJ has right now.
Logan Sekulow: Give us a call and let me know what your thoughts are at 1-800-684-3110. We are halfway through the week, everybody, and we are halfway through our Defend the Defenseless week, talking about all the incredible pro-life work that our team is doing. We're going to have a special video presentation for you a little bit later on some of that work. We'll also be joined by Rick Grenell in the back half of the broadcast.
Narrator: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Those are the words of our forefathers written in the Declaration of Independence. They are the cornerstone on which our constitutional republic was built. Over the past 250 years, we have formed a great nation, a nation the world has looked to for guidance, for support, and for protection. This month, we celebrate our liberty, but that liberty is fragile and requires every American to defend it. That's why this month we've launched the ACLJ Liberty Drive. In honor of America's birthday, we're redoubling our commitment to continue fighting against any attacks that would strip us of that freedom. We owe it to our forefathers. You can join the fight right now through our ACLJ Liberty Drive. Go to ACLJ.org/liberty today and have your tax-deductible gift doubled, dollar for dollar, to enable the ACLJ to fight to defend our God-given liberty.
Logan Sekulow: We've witnessed monumental legal victories from defending the 14th Amendment and protecting our sacred American right to vote, the overturning of Roe v. Wade, and standing up for the religious liberty of our kids and seniors. But even with the many historic wins we've achieved, the battle is far from over. The attacks on our constitutionally protected rights persist. Countless unborn babies remain in jeopardy, and across the globe, innocent Christians are being targeted and killed across this country and around the world. This fight isn't just the ACLJ's. It's all of ours. It belongs to every American who wants to preserve the values and beliefs on which this nation was founded. None of the victories we've won would have been possible without the unwavering support of ACLJ members and ACLJ champions. It's been an honor to fight for you all these years. Join us in fighting for freedom. Have your donation doubled at ACLJ.org/freedom. Welcome back to Sekulow. We are talking fraud of all kinds. We also know Nicolas Maduro just pleaded not guilty to drug trafficking in court. He is in court right now as we speak. If there's anything that needs to come out from that, we'll talk about that.
Will Haines: Do you think that was a surprise to him that he could plead not guilty? Because at the beginning, when the judge was telling him he doesn't have to speak on his behalf and he can get an attorney, it was like a surprise.
Logan Sekulow: He was probably thinking, "I love America. What a great place. New York City, how about it?" We'll cover that if there's anything that needs to break. Obviously, again, the Mayor of New York City has double, triple, quadruple-downed now on his threats against Benjamin Netanyahu, though in a very impassioned video that he put out last night. It felt like a James Comey video. It was laying out all of the reasons why he should be arrested, and then at the end saying, "But I've got no authority to do it." But it was a pretty frightening video, I'll be honest, if you are a Jewish New Yorker. This morning, he tried to back it down, saying October 7th was also bad. He's trying to play both sides, but when you see these videos, you know exactly where he lies. We'll discuss that a little bit more, but our main focus today is talking about election integrity and what that means on a big scale here. What we've just found out is in the state of New Jersey, over 6,000 non-citizens were accidentally, due to a software glitch—and again, I'm just telling you what we've been told—added to the voter rolls. Fewer than 400, they said, actually did vote. Probably because those other 6,000, who all appropriately checked the box that they were non-citizens, probably didn't think they could vote or should vote. Maybe 400 of them got that card and were like, "Hey, why not?" Or maybe they thought maybe there are rules that have changed. There is a language gap there for a lot of these people. I was at the DMV just the other day, had to get my license renewed, and I watched some non-citizens get their driver's license. It was actually a great moment. It was a very sweet moment for a lot of these people, especially the kids, who are first-generation Americans who are not yet citizens. They had to go through a bit more of a process. But you know that that is the early part of those processes. Then you get to the, "Would you like to be added, would you like to register to vote here?" Something did happen which added thousands of people to the voter rolls. This is the issue that we've discussed. It's not about who's voting or who's not voting, whether there's fraud or not fraud. Clearly, there are problems within our system when it comes to voting and registration, and everything that's involved in it. How can we make a better plan? How can we safeguard this more? That's what we've talked about here. It's not about trying to keep certain people from voting or not voting. It is about how you actually streamline this clearly broken system.
Will Haines: And this is the big problem, right? The big debate nationally is about the Save America Act, about national voter ID, and about strengthening the protections in the election. Consistently, those of us that want election security and election integrity want everyone to feel a confidence that their vote will count and that their votes are not being canceled out by people who are voting illegally or fraudulently. The fact that it's become such a partisan issue is the problem. They are telling you over and over, those on the left that are trying to defeat things like the Save America Act, they're using loaded terms like Jim Crow 2.0 anytime you try and protect elections. Whenever a story like this pops up, they try to minimize it. Listen to the reporting from Politico. "Speaking with reporters at a hastily scheduled press conference, the Governor of New Jersey said there's no immediate proof that any of the roughly 400 non-citizens who cast ballots impacted the outcome of any individual election." Here's a big problem with that entire statement from the Governor of New Jersey. It did impact 400 appropriate citizen voters' votes. They were disenfranchised. You want to talk about protecting democracy? Four hundred people that voted that are registered American citizens that are supposed to vote, their vote is effectively canceled by the 400 non-citizens who voted the opposite way and weren't supposed to. I don't care if it's 400 or 400,000. You want to protect the individual person's right to vote. That's what they tell us. They say these voter protection laws will disenfranchise American citizens. No, what disenfranchises American citizens is having a system where for an entire year, a state's system and software has a glitch that lets people check the right box and they still get added to the voter rolls improperly.
Logan Sekulow: I think that's important to say this once again. We're not talking about people who went in to commit fraud. We are talking about people who went in and did the right thing. You can get an ID or you can get a driver's license if you're not a citizen yet of the United States of America. Nothing wrong with that. There are ways we can protect that and make sure people that are here legally can have their identification issued by our state. They did everything right according to the paperwork we've seen. It's either an error at the DMV or it is this software error. The ACLJ's getting involved in a lot of these kinds of cases. There's a reason why, and it's not just some conspiracy that we think thousands of people are going in and trying to vote illegally and all of this. It's even issues like this where thousands of people did the right thing and still the wrong thing happened. People were added to the voter rolls that were not supposed to be.
Will Haines: That's right. While everyone's focused on passing the Save America Act, the ACLJ is seeing what we can do around the states to make sure that we can protect and improve voter integrity and election integrity. This same type of situation led us to file a lawsuit on behalf of our friends at the American Accountability Foundation. They had filed a state-level FOIA in Maryland because Maryland allows non-citizens to vote in local elections in some municipalities. We've seen this trend start to take off around the country. So, the American Accountability Foundation filed this state-level FOIA, the Maryland Sunshine Law, to try and get information on how you separate the voter rolls for those that are non-citizens that are allowed to vote in your local elections and the elections that are federal or statewide that they're not allowed to vote in. Well, they ignored that FOIA, and they actually started pulling down portions of the website that had information on it, which is suspicious. It seems like you're trying to hide something or cover it up. So we had to file a lawsuit because we want to get to the bottom of this. If everything in New Jersey is to be believed, that it is just as basic as they're putting forward, only 400 people through this one error were able to vote, and only 6,600 in New Jersey were added to the voter rolls. We want to know why and how these cities in Maryland are protecting the integrity of their elections. How are they not having software glitches there that accidentally commingle the two different voter rolls? These are things that states and municipalities need to be transparent about. There's our lawsuit right there, American Accountability Foundation versus the Town of Cheverly, Maryland. You can't just take their word for it. Case in point is New Jersey. They're saying our system works, it's on the up and up, nothing to see here. DHS says, "Eh, we think you've got some non-citizens on your voter rolls." "Ah, no, no, no, certainly not." Do a little investigation—oops, we do. How many times has a state official told you no, our system will not allow non-citizens to vote in our state? Are you just going to take their word for it at this point? We're not. That's why we have this lawsuit in Maryland to get to the bottom of how you are ensuring that these two lists aren't getting swapped, that they aren't combined at some point. Also, what safeguards do you have when a non-citizen voter goes to another municipality or another place, shows their voter registration, and is able to vote in elections that they're not supposed to because it looks like they're registered to vote? All of these things we have to get to the bottom of, and it doesn't just stop in Maryland. It goes to New Jersey and all across the country.
Logan Sekulow: We've got about one month until they're forced, this town, to respond to our lawsuit. So I want to encourage you to pray for our organization, pray for our lawyers, pray for the people who are involved in this. We're going to keep you posted as everything develops. This is an important issue for the ACLJ. It's one of the newer issues we've taken on over the last few years. If you like that, I'm going to encourage you, though it is our week focused on pro-life work, to support the work. All of it goes to all the work of the ACLJ. This week we are dedicated to showcasing our pro-life work, and when we get back from a break, you're going to see a special video presentation about some of the crisis pregnancy centers that we have been supporting over the years. I want you to be a part of that. Scan that QR code, your donation will still be doubled. You can take action with us at ACLJ.org/defend. Your gift is doubled because other ACLJ supporters and ACLJ members are ready to unlock a pledge. They've pledged to donate and match whatever donations come in. We have a great group of people. If we ever get close to that limit, I'll let you know, but really right now it's donations of any kind. All of it is done at no cost to the client and no cost to you. We'll be right back.
Narrator: We've witnessed monumental legal victories from defending the 14th Amendment and protecting our sacred American right to vote, the overturning of Roe v. Wade, and standing up for the religious liberty of our kids and seniors. But even with the many historic wins we've achieved, the battle is far from over. The attacks on our constitutionally protected rights persist. Countless unborn babies remain in jeopardy, and across the globe, innocent Christians are being targeted and killed across this country and around the world. This fight isn't just the ACLJ's. It's all of ours. It belongs to every American who wants to preserve the values and beliefs on which this nation was founded. None of the victories we've won would have been possible without the unwavering support of ACLJ members and ACLJ champions. It's been an honor to fight for you all these years. Join us in fighting for freedom. Have your donation doubled at ACLJ.org/freedom. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Those are the words of our forefathers written in the Declaration of Independence. They are the cornerstone on which our constitutional republic was built. Over the past 250 years, we have formed a great nation, a nation the world has looked to for guidance, for support, and for protection. This month, we celebrate our liberty, but that liberty is fragile and requires every American to defend it. That's why this month we've launched the ACLJ Liberty Drive. In honor of America's birthday, we're redoubling our commitment to continue fighting against any attacks that would strip us of that freedom. We owe it to our forefathers. You can join the fight right now through our ACLJ Liberty Drive. Go to ACLJ.org/liberty today and have your tax-deductible gift doubled, dollar for dollar, to enable the ACLJ to fight to defend our God-given liberty.
Logan Sekulow: Welcome back to Sekulow. We do have a very special video presentation. We are still live, and we are going to be taking your calls. Benjamin, Marie, Eric, stay on hold. We actually have three lines open, so it's a good time to call in at 1-800-684-3110. I don't want to miss an opportunity this week to show you what the ACLJ does around the world. One of our core issues has been the fight for life for the last 35 plus, nearly 40 years of work the ACLJ has done. We've seen incredible strides happen. We've seen laws be overturned. We've seen things we never thought would happen in our lifetime happen. But still, the fight for life continues. In some places, it's even intensified. So I want you to take a look at this special video presentation that our team put together, and hopefully it inspires you to support the work that we're doing here.
Guest (Female): They're not judging. They're comforting. They understand. They take the time to listen, and they don't shoot your ideas away with, "Oh, science this, science that," or "this is my opinion." They keep it very professional.
Guest (Male): When a young teenager or even college girl finds out she's pregnant, immediately it's that, "What am I going to do?" kind of moment because she has her whole life ahead of her. She's got to deal with, "How do I tell my parents? What are they going to do?"
Guest (Female): I didn't even want to tell my mom. I just cried and I cried. So I tried to keep it a secret, but you know parents. They already know. They see the signs.
Guest (Male): Many of these women come later in pregnancy. Some of them are coming three, four weeks into their pregnancy, and they just really don't know what to do. They don't know what options are available to them. A lot of them are scared. Many of them are coming to us with no support from family. Maybe they have a boyfriend that's pressuring them or a family member that is pushing them towards a choice that they're not fully informed about or comfortable with. A PRC, or a pregnancy resource center, is often a non-profit, for-free clinic meant to be a resource for women who maybe don't know where to turn when they first find out that they're pregnant. The idea behind the pregnancy resource center is there are so many hundreds of women who just need a little extra help, and they just need someone to support them. Having somebody who's unbiased and unjudgmental, who's not pressuring you into a choice, is that first step in just welcoming her and letting her tell her story. Second to that, I think the bigger impact comes from the ultrasound. When they are able to see it for themselves, that completely wipes away the myth and the lie that it's a blob of cells and it's not a human. When they see that little baby in there waving or sucking its thumb or jumping around and kicking, they see for themselves the reality of what it is that they're carrying.
Guest (Female): They have all these little courses and classes that you can do. So like I was breastfeeding with her, so they had lactation, breastfeeding classes, labor classes. And then on top of it, they also had little free things. So they would have little events to where you can come and get clothes, diapers, wipes—the necessities for the baby. It's such a great resource.
Guest (Male): And here we're helping people. Our clothes go up to 2T, so we give everybody a good two years, and then after that they don't have to leave. Diapers are expensive. They go through diapers, wipes, and there's times when you need clothes. It provides an additional choice outside of the abortion industry that is just there to kill your baby.
Narrator: Massachusetts launching this one million dollar taxpayer-funded campaign. The campaign by Governor Maura Healey tells women to avoid what it terms anti-abortion centers, calling them unsafe. The Governor's Office says the taxpayer-funded ads which began running this month are supposed to help women understand their full range of options. But there was no state investigation and no prosecutions after pregnancy resource centers were vandalized in the wake of the Dobbs decision. Pro-life workers say this new campaign puts their lives in even greater danger. Women are warned to avoid centers that offer hope and feature pictures of babies and children. Anti-abortion centers, often called crisis pregnancy centers, look like medical facilities but don't offer comprehensive care, the website reads. Some may not offer any medical care.
Guest (Male): This state has decided to attack them purely because of their viewpoint, because they want you to know you have other choices, and the state doesn't like that. The state wants to support Planned Parenthood and the big abortion clinics. Here at the ACLJ, we have to never stop fighting for these defenseless children. This is more than just the PRC. Think about what that PRC is doing. It is saving the unborn. And if we just say we're not going to support those PRCs anymore, then that means millions more babies are not going to be born. They're not going to be able to experience life on the playground, all of the exciting adventures that we have with our children. That's going to be ripped away from them. We can't stop fighting for them. These babies deserve a life. They deserve a chance, and you deserve to know that you have all of the choices to give them that chance.
Logan Sekulow: If you want to support the work of the ACLJ, those are issues that I really feel impassioned about. I really want you to get involved in as well. They're long battles. Some of them take years. Some of them don't end in the results that we want. But you know what? We keep fighting back. Whether it's our fight for life, fight for the people who are fighting for life, whether it's the protesters, whether it's the pregnancy resource centers, which I find to be incredibly moving, incredibly important by the way. Those pregnancy resource centers continue to stay funded and stay open, and we're able to offer them legal help when they need it because they are some of the best people, some of the best places you can go if you are in need. It doesn't always have to be some sort of situation where you're considering one way or the other. You could go there just to receive a lot of the free care that they offer, whether that's ultrasounds, baby formula, or diapers. Sometimes it goes as far as clothing. I've heard of ones that throw a birthday party for your kids a year later. They do a lot of incredible, great work, and we want to be there for them. When you're thinking about the pro-life sphere, you can sort of think about it just as pregnancy, but a lot of these groups and a lot of these organizations go well beyond that. They fight for the lives of these children throughout their early childhood. So I encourage you to be a part of that as well.
Will Haines: I think at that time, that's exactly why we have this Defend the Defenseless week as a part of our Liberty Drive. We show those videos to showcase the work those places do. But you have to remember states are going after those very organizations, trying to shut them down. They don't want to give them equal protection when people attack them. In fact, they are trying to find ways to legally dismantle them. I think there's a parallel here when you look at what's going on even with these voter situations where the states have all of these capabilities and yet they still allow the very things they say they're not allowing happen to go forward, such as people getting on the rolls. In states like Massachusetts, in New York, across the country, we've seen those very same states attack the pregnancy resource centers. That's why when we talk about how it's so important we work with these state attorneys general, it's because we know that many times the battle for these issues isn't at the federal level. We have to be in all 50 states fighting to ensure that these ministries can continue their good work and also, at the same time, to ensure that the people that are elected in these states, that the integrity of the elections are there and that the people that they choose to represent them are the people that are chosen. So it's a very broad scope of our work here, but I think it all ties in because we have to be at the state level on the ground across the country.
Logan Sekulow: If you got our email today, you are chosen. That's what I've heard. I saw that in the subject line. That being said, phone lines are open as we head into our second half hour. I do want you to support the work of the ACLJ. Don't skip a minute here. Support the work of the ACLJ by going to ACLJ.org/defend right now or scan that QR code you see on the screen. All donations are doubled. We do have a second half hour coming up. Rick Grenell's joining us, and we're going to take a lot of your calls and comments. So again, Benjamin, Marie, Eric, stay on hold. We've got three lines open at 1-800-684-3110. Go ahead and get in line. We'll take some calls in the next segment. We'll take some calls towards the end of the show. Right in the middle, we've got Rick Grenell joining us. You're not going to want to miss that. Once again, phone lines are open at 1-800-684-3110. We'll be right back.
Narrator: Over the past 250 years, we have formed a great nation, a nation the world has looked to for guidance, for support, and for protection. This month, we celebrate our liberty, but that liberty is fragile and requires every American to defend it. That's why this month we've launched the ACLJ Liberty Drive. In honor of America's birthday, we're redoubling our commitment to continue fighting against any attacks that would strip us of that freedom. We owe it to our forefathers. You can join the fight right now through our ACLJ Liberty Drive. Go to ACLJ.org/liberty today and have your tax-deductible gift doubled, dollar for dollar, to enable the ACLJ to fight to defend our God-given liberty.

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Dr. Jay Alan Sekulow is Chief Counsel for the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ), a legal and educational not-for-profit organization that focuses on constitutional law, the defense of freedoms of speech and religion, and international human rights. He is also Chief Counsel of the European Center for Law and Justice (ECLJ) based in Strasbourg, France, and the Slavic Center for Law and Justice (SCLJ) in Moscow, Russia. The ACLJ also has an affiliate office in Jerusalem, Israel.

An accomplished and respected judicial advocate, Sekulow has presented oral argument before the U.S. Supreme Court in twelve cases in defense of constitutional freedoms. Several landmark cases argued by Sekulow before the U.S. Supreme Court have become part of the legal landscape in the area of religious liberty litigation; these cases include Mergens, Lamb's Chapel, McConnell v. FEC, Operation Rescue v. National Organization for Women, and most recently Pleasant Grove City v. Summum.

In 2009, Townhall Magazine named Sekulow to its "Townhall of Fame" and recognized him as "one of the top lawyers for religious freedom in the United States." In 2007, the Chicago Tribune concluded that the ACLJ has "led the way" in Christian legal advocacy. In 2005, TIME Magazine named Sekulow as one of the "25 Most Influential Evangelicals" in America and called the ACLJ "a powerful counterweight" to the ACLU. Business Week said the ACLJ is "the leading advocacy group for religious freedom." Sekulow's work on the issue of judicial nominees, including possible vacancies at the Supreme Court, has received extensive news coverage, including a front-page story in The Wall Street Journal. In addition, The National Law Journal has twice named Sekulow one of the "100 Most Influential Lawyers" in the United States (1994, 1997). He is also among a distinguished group of attorneys known as "The Public Sector 45" named by The American Lawyer (January/February 1997). The magazine said the designation represents "45 young lawyers outside the private sector whose vision and commitment are changing lives."

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